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Poster: tank_tuba Date: Feb 8, 2009 3:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey yankee fans...

I really hope no one is actually surprised by any of this.

Show me a baseball player over the last 20 years who isn't addicted to either steroids, amphetamines, nicotine(chewing tobacco), prescription drugs, cocaine, or alcohol and I'll show you a ball player who never made it out of the Minors.

Here's a list a MVP winners since 1988 and my opinion whether they were roided up or not.

1988 Kirk Gibson José Canseco (YES)
1989 Kevin Mitchell(maybe) Robin Yount
1990 Barry Bonds(not yet) Rickey Henderson
1991 Terry Pendleton Cal Ripken, Jr.(they better hope not, he's already in the HOF)
1992 Barry Bonds(not yet) Dennis Eckersley(Cocaine?)
1993 Barry Bonds(not yet) Frank Thomas(maybe)
1994 Jeff Bagwell(Yes) Frank Thomas(maybe)
1995 Barry Larkin Mo Vaughn(Probably)
1996 Ken Caminiti(YES) Juan González(YES)
1997 Larry Walker(Maybe) Ken Griffey, Jr.
1998 Sammy Sosa (YES) Juan González(YES)
1999 Chipper Jones Iván Rodríguez(Probably/Yes)
2000 Jeff Kent(BIG Maybe) Jason Giambi(YES)
2001 Barry Bonds(YES) Ichiro Suzuki
2002 Barry Bonds(YES) Miguel Tejada(YES)
2003 Barry Bonds(YES) Alex Rodriguez(YES)
2004 Barry Bonds(YES) Vladimir Guerrero(Maybe)
2005 Albert Pujols(Maybe) Alex Rodriguez(YES)

My opinion is that the vast, vast majority of them were or are on something. It only seems the only time anyone cares about it is when they might have a chance at getting into the Hall of Fame.

Does anybody remember Alex Sanchez? He was suspended for steroids.
Who is he? Don't know.
Does anyone care? NO.

MLB is in a world of shit. The all-time hits leader and the all-time home run leader will never get into the Hall of Fame.
That's like the NFL saying Joe Montana and Walter Payton will never get in the Hall.
Or the NBA saying no to Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson.
Or golf saying no to Jack Nicklaus and Tiger Woods.
Or Nascar saying no to Richard Petty or Dale Earnhardt.
Or the NHL saying no to Wayne Gretzky and Bobby Orr.
Or soccer saying no to Pele.

I'm personally over the baseball steroid issue. They used, they didn't use. At this point I could care less. I love the game of baseball and I watch the game because I truly enjoy it.
I may not pay money to go see a game anymore, bit I'll continue to watch a bunch of overpaid, spoiled men play a game meant for kids while I can still afford cable.


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Poster: lobster12 Date: Feb 8, 2009 9:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey yankee fans...

That was a very good non dead post. You pretty much summed up why football has passed baseball as America's passion. The whole thing is a mess.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Feb 8, 2009 12:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey yankee fans...

Yes, I'm sick of the roids stories as well.
Yes, as a Red Sox fan I'm pretty sure there are more than a few of "my guys" on that list, and yes, it would hurt if I found out a guy like David Ortiz was juicing when he practically single-handedly carried the Sox to the promised land in '04.

But this stuff DOES or SHOULD matter to some extent because of the guys who didn't do it and had their records nixed by the jackasses who did. (Hank Aaron is still the all-time HR king to me, and I don't give a damn what Barry Bonds' numbers say).

Guys like Rice, Yaz, Ernie Banks, Ryne Sandberg, Koufax, I could go on and on...who relied solely on their talent and hard work get their numbers all skewed by these cry baby millionaires who turn down $25 Mil for one year b/c they feel "disrespected", and turn to 'roids b/c they have to have their names in the spotlight brighter than anyone else's and then have the temerity to lie about it while feigning outrage at the same time (Clemens, Bonds, Palmiero)'s enough to sicken even the hardest-core fan.

baseball is the greatest game ever invented and I love the game itself, but it's the ultimate irony that its greatest threat comes from the very people who play it.